Posts by Captain Obvious

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More on the 5go outer ...........not

by 5go in

jw
friends

not really this topic is for my mom that is suffering now please give some experiances of finding out everything (ttatt) or about relatives wanting to leave.

she apparently is lurking here reading my posts.

she is suffering horribly and needs the comfort badly..

Captain Obvious

It can be tough for a parent or family member to find out that one of their loved ones wants to leave the org. They likely won't understand, or even want to understand. In the JW mindset the only right answer is the JW answer. The only truth is the JW truth from the slave. This summer we had an entire convention dedicated to truth, which didn't contain a single word about how to actually find the truth in any given matter. Nothing about searching out information from all sources and viewpoints, considering them all objectively in light of presently known facts and information. The general message was, 'if it's from the watchtower or the bible , it's true. If not, it's Not true. If it disagrees in any way with the watchtower or the bible , it is automatically a lie from satan. How are people supposed to make honest decisions with this mindset?

I can't imagine your mother's pain right now but the fact that she is on here reading yours and others' posts is important. Hopefully she is able to see the fact that you're not a bad person, mislead by the devil. That, and the fact that you've been here since 2006. That's a long time to wake up and remain "in."

To 5go's mom: welcome to our forum, you will find all types here, all sharing one thing in common. We after a long, objective consideration of our beliefs, the bible, history and the world we live in have all come to the conclusion that this org. Does not have 'The Truth,' it never did. You will find some to be bitter, spiteful. Please remember that these people have been hurt badly by this org. And it's teachings and policies. Some lives have been ruined, families torn apart, loved ones lost because they would not have a simple blood transfusion. The list goes on and on. The knowledge that you have been lied to your whole life is painful.

For many, learning that the org's policies directly serve to protect its name over the safety of children from pedophiles, or the fact that they were a manner of the UN for 11 years, or that Jerusalem wasn't destroyed in 607 but 587 BCE is a big shock. It also makes it tough to support such a group. Personally, finally accepting that the org. was wrong about 607 and therefore 1914,1918,1919 etc. was the last straw for me. Never another day knocking on doors, preaching what I knew to be lies.

Hopefully this religion doesn't tear your family apart like it has mine and thousands of others.

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My mother came for a visit

by Faithful Witness in

she has not visited us in over a year, except with my dad.

we have not had a chance to talk one on one in a very long time.

she is an actice jw.

Captain Obvious

Just be glad she'll still talk to you! So many of us on here can't even get a single conversation with our mothers.

And I agree with the above advice, cool it for a while... Let it sink in.

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A message for Stand For Pure Worship

by SloppyJoe in

jw
friends

first welcome to the board for whatever reason you are here.

if you are here to criticize us, so be it, if you have doubts then look around.

i just want you to do some research on a member who used to be here named "you know".

Captain Obvious

nope he's not Recovery, I don't think. Recovery was much better read and spoken. He at least made an attempt to refute our arguments. Who knows what happened to him, but he was one of the ones who, despite his arrogance actually had something to say. SFPW is just a troll. Don't feed the troll.

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List of Circuit Overseers Who Told Me As A Child, "NWT is Most Honest Because It's Not A Dishonest Thought-Translation (Paraphrased Loosely). I Repent, I am Sorry For Lying Now!

by AuntConnie in

the pain of all the lies i am learning about the truth is making me think of moving to a nation where legal euthenesia is allowed.

i take my medicine on a daily basis but it's not working, only so much medication will remove all the decades of guilt, lies being told and human intellect we suffocated by teaching the cult's methods of killing ideas.

i don't deserve anything, lord jesus christ i repent of all my lies and will try to be a better person.

Captain Obvious

Aunt Connie, is it better to have found out when you consider it to be "late in life," or not at all? Would you rather have died in your ignorance?

Perhaps you can devote the rest of your life to helping those around you.. Share the truth.

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Apostate Networking

by Watchtower-Free in

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Captain Obvious

You're right, but sometimes it's the DFing of someone close to you that wakes you up.

For me, it was my mom. She was/is a DF'd believer. A while ago I told her the shunning is BS and I won't do it anymore. What did she say? "Sorry son, but it's Jehovah's arrangement!" Poor woman. I so wish I could reach her with TTATT

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Are we not overlooking the obvious?

by newbie2013 in

this is my first post.

however, i have been reading this board for some time (call it stalking or trolling...lol).

so, hello to all.. i have had time to reflect on the agm since yesterday and my thoughts are that indeed the nwt needed much revision.

Captain Obvious

Welcome! Please stay a while and chat.

some of the scriptures that were removed posed a problem for doctrine. The account of the adulteress poses a problem for the rules on shunning. Jesus wouldn't have shunned anyone like JWs do

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Shunning - Not Just JWs

by Joe Grundy in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjmg69xmjp8.

this is a documentary from louis theroux on his return visit to westboro baptist chutch - as wacky a bunch as you'll meet.

but not that different, imho, as jdubs.. i never was a dub, but i hope as a human that i can share their pain.. being entirely secular here, it seems to me that some of the young ladies in the film need to experience 'worldly' love,.

Captain Obvious

How could they do it worse than JWs? My mother won't speak to me because SHE'S DFed and still a believer. Cult conditioning runs deep

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Which country is better to migrate Canada or Australia?

by His Excellency in

i am sure nowhere is perfect but if we want to compare these two countries from different prospectives like racism, job, income/spending, quality of life, standard of living etc.

can you please give me a rough idea by sharing your experiences.. .

by the way, i am considering applying for a masters progrmme in any of the two countries.. .

Captain Obvious

People talk funny in Australia... Canada is best.

Besides, we have gorgeous scenery, it's safe and peaceful, and we have a solid economy. I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

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Who made the first image ?

by fulltimestudent in

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this week the focus of my byzantium studies is the iconophile/iconoclast quarrel, when people could be bashed etc for having the wrong belief.. one of the things i have to do is discuss the arguements used by each side, and i was intrigued (amused) by an argument used by st.john of damascus.. he asks the question: " who first made images?".

what's your answer?.

Captain Obvious

Well then you should specify... Biblically or historically? Don't assume the bible is an actual account of history.

What is the biblical answer?

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tower attacking families to save ones from apostates

by Crazyguy in

i spoke with some one that recommends i step lightly for he said the tower may use there attorneys to attack me recommend to my wife to leave me (spiritual endangerment) and use their attorney's to then help her get complete custody of the kids.

has anyone heard of these guys doing this?

i don't doubt this guy former elder and bethelite and all, just wondering if any one here has experienced this or knows of this happening?

Captain Obvious

Is your marriage built on more than mutual beliefs? It damn well should be. Are you worth staying with despite differing beliefs? If your marriage is so paper thin that without shared beliefs it's not worth fighting for, then.... It's not worth fighting for. I say that because obviously if you're talking this way you're not very optimistic.

If you're DFed for apostasy and you're very aggressive in your anti-WT stance, then yes she will be reminded that she can leave you, her relationship with jah is more important. If that's not the case, you're just not interested in the religion anymore and are still a good husband, the elders would be stupid to even bring it up with you.

I'm pretty certain that if the elders floated that idea by my wife, she'd lose it on them. You have to get her on your side, bro. Even if she disagrees with you, she needs to be just as interested as you are in your marriage being a success. If not, what's the damn point? Even if your kids are raised by her to be JWs, they are still more likely to turn out to be Atheists.